Comments on: Something Rotten? Obama Says Danes Receive 20% of Their Power Via Wind; New Study Tells the Real Story http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/ for the well-being of mankind Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:30:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Wind Power: Not So Powerful | No Bull. news service. http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1708 Wind Power: Not So Powerful | No Bull. news service. Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:17:09 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-1708 [...] through wind power.” Sure, Denmark is a flat, windy place, but it still isn’t true. The Institute for Energy Research explains: The findings of a new study released this week cast serious doubt on the accuracy of that [...] [...] through wind power.” Sure, Denmark is a flat, windy place, but it still isn’t true. The Institute for Energy Research explains: The findings of a new study released this week cast serious doubt on the accuracy of that [...]

]]> By: Tom Stacy http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1547 Tom Stacy Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:41:39 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-1547 I am very impressed with all of the posts here. NOW GET OUT AND EDUCATE PEOPLE SO WE CAN STOP THIS WASTEFUL AND DISRESPECTFUL INDUSTRY ! Start with your congressman, who thinks you won't vote for him if he bad mouths wind energy. Do you think Lamar Alexander is going to lose his next election? I don't think so! But he slams wind over and over. I am very impressed with all of the posts here. NOW GET OUT AND EDUCATE PEOPLE SO WE CAN STOP THIS WASTEFUL AND DISRESPECTFUL INDUSTRY ! Start with your congressman, who thinks you won’t vote for him if he bad mouths wind energy. Do you think Lamar Alexander is going to lose his next election? I don’t think so! But he slams wind over and over.

]]> By: stymee http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-950 stymee Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:53:39 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-950 Fact: At today's electric rates the wind turbines they are erecting will take 100 years for payback if they turn 24-7 in energy production. They are expected to have a life of 30-35 years. What a scam! Madoff made easy is the game being played... Fact: At today’s electric rates the wind turbines they are erecting will take 100 years for payback if they turn 24-7 in energy production.

They are expected to have a life of 30-35 years.

What a scam! Madoff made easy is the game being played…

]]> By: Colon Wind Generator http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-934 Colon Wind Generator Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:20:11 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-934 The mountain of lies upon which the wind energy hoax is built on is so huge it can be seen from space. Michael Goggin will attempt to keep your focus on insignificant details while he garnishes your wages to fund his ruse, and Obama will flat out lie with no remorse. But the facts are out there. Here are a few: 1) The United States is singular in its stored reserves of oil, coal, natural gas and uranium. No other single nation can match our energy storehouse. Next time you hear Obama preaching about "America being great", ask yourself, why are our single greatest, life improving treasures kept locked away from us? WHY ARE WE EVEN PURSUING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, DETAILS BE DAMNED. Of course anyone capable of being honest with themself knows that Communism (in principle not practice) is about nobody having any advantage over anyone else. So while Obama preaches distribution of wealth, he drives us away from a worry free energy policy, to an incredibly expensive one mirroring those in socialist countries, and calls it our key to salvation. All the while claiming he's not a Socialist. Just like that thing with webbed feet and a bill is not a duck. 2) Global Warming- Oh yeah, this is why we don't burn oil. Because the earth has cooled for a decade but Obama and his paid and bullied scientists swear its hotter than it has ever been ever. AND ITS OUR FAULT FOR ENJOYING OUR FREEDOM. Twice in this planet's history it has gotten so hot and dry that nearly every drop of water has dried up. Dozens of ice ages are well studied and well established. The dinosaurs lived with CO2 levels at 5000ppm which created such a thriving biosphere that these lizards grew to 40-50 feet tall and weighed tons because of the endless abundance of vegetation/food. But not according to Obama or the left. According to Obama and the left the temperature has never changed, evolution, amazingly, took place without even a change in the weather for a million years, and then we effed it all up by driving to work. They have all the proof you ever need in a little program on their PlayStation, and if you don't believe it they'll pull your funding and change your social security number. Global Warming will be the new Salem Witch Trials in about another 6 months. But for 5 months and 29 days Obama will swear on it. 3) Wind- What a joke. The quick facts? NO WIND PROJECT HAS EVER SUSTAINED ITSELF WITHOUT SUBSIDIES. Break even points are 100-300 years NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD PRODUCES EVEN 15% OF THEIR POWER WITH WIND. WE ARE BIGGER THAN ALL THOSE COUNTRIES Wind power comes with a 100+% premium over coal energy Windmills create significantly more noise per MW than coal plants, take up more space for less energy, use huge amounts of nonrenewable plastics and fiberglass/composites, kill huge numbers of birds, and can be seen exploding in videos all over the internet. Are so pathetically NOT the answer that Obama has yet to make an accurate statement in favor of wind power, because none can be made. Its not "free" clean, safe, quiet, or efficient. Period. Why the mountain of lies? George Bush, allegedly the biggest lying war criminal of all time always pushed for coal and oil. Every fact he claimed about them was true. Yet he was branded a liar. Meanwhile Obama spouts lie after lie after lie about wind and solar and he is a visionary. What is the moral of this story? Americans would rather be lied to while their country crumbles around them, than be told the truth and be accountable for fixing things. And Obama is absolutely the man to lead that crowd, and Michael Goggin will be their lockstep to collect the ticket money. But the sad facts about wind are in fact FACTS. And failure to acknowledge them will be the most expensive mistake we can make as a country. Wind is a the ripoff cherry on top of a mountain of lies and thievery. Believe what you want, but don't say you weren't given the facts when wind blows the last dollar out of your wallet... The mountain of lies upon which the wind energy hoax is built on is so huge it can be seen from space. Michael Goggin will attempt to keep your focus on insignificant details while he garnishes your wages to fund his ruse, and Obama will flat out lie with no remorse. But the facts are out there. Here are a few:

1) The United States is singular in its stored reserves of oil, coal, natural gas and uranium. No other single nation can match our energy storehouse. Next time you hear Obama preaching about “America being great”, ask yourself, why are our single greatest, life improving treasures kept locked away from us? WHY ARE WE EVEN PURSUING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, DETAILS BE DAMNED. Of course anyone capable of being honest with themself knows that Communism (in principle not practice) is about nobody having any advantage over anyone else. So while Obama preaches distribution of wealth, he drives us away from a worry free energy policy, to an incredibly expensive one mirroring those in socialist countries, and calls it our key to salvation. All the while claiming he’s not a Socialist. Just like that thing with webbed feet and a bill is not a duck.

2) Global Warming- Oh yeah, this is why we don’t burn oil. Because the earth has cooled for a decade but Obama and his paid and bullied scientists swear its hotter than it has ever been ever. AND ITS OUR FAULT FOR ENJOYING OUR FREEDOM. Twice in this planet’s history it has gotten so hot and dry that nearly every drop of water has dried up. Dozens of ice ages are well studied and well established. The dinosaurs lived with CO2 levels at 5000ppm which created such a thriving biosphere that these lizards grew to 40-50 feet tall and weighed tons because of the endless abundance of vegetation/food. But not according to Obama or the left. According to Obama and the left the temperature has never changed, evolution, amazingly, took place without even a change in the weather for a million years, and then we effed it all up by driving to work. They have all the proof you ever need in a little program on their PlayStation, and if you don’t believe it they’ll pull your funding and change your social security number. Global Warming will be the new Salem Witch Trials in about another 6 months. But for 5 months and 29 days Obama will swear on it.

3) Wind- What a joke. The quick facts?
NO WIND PROJECT HAS EVER SUSTAINED ITSELF WITHOUT SUBSIDIES.
Break even points are 100-300 years
NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD PRODUCES EVEN 15% OF THEIR POWER WITH WIND. WE ARE BIGGER THAN ALL THOSE COUNTRIES
Wind power comes with a 100+% premium over coal energy
Windmills create significantly more noise per MW than coal plants, take up more space for less energy, use huge amounts of nonrenewable plastics and fiberglass/composites, kill huge numbers of birds, and can be seen exploding in videos all over the internet.
Are so pathetically NOT the answer that Obama has yet to make an accurate statement in favor of wind power, because none can be made. Its not “free” clean, safe, quiet, or efficient. Period.

Why the mountain of lies? George Bush, allegedly the biggest lying war criminal of all time always pushed for coal and oil. Every fact he claimed about them was true. Yet he was branded a liar. Meanwhile Obama spouts lie after lie after lie about wind and solar and he is a visionary. What is the moral of this story? Americans would rather be lied to while their country crumbles around them, than be told the truth and be accountable for fixing things. And Obama is absolutely the man to lead that crowd, and Michael Goggin will be their lockstep to collect the ticket money. But the sad facts about wind are in fact FACTS. And failure to acknowledge them will be the most expensive mistake we can make as a country. Wind is a the ripoff cherry on top of a mountain of lies and thievery. Believe what you want, but don’t say you weren’t given the facts when wind blows the last dollar out of your wallet…

]]> By: TugboatPhil http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-919 TugboatPhil Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:15:59 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-919 QandO Says: September 15th, 2009 at 4:32 am "The Institute for Energy Research cites a study which finds the statement made by the president to not be accurate (that doesn’t mean he told a lie – Obama was only repeating what was supposed to be true at the time)" Sorry but you're wrong. According to all Democrat politicians and mainstream news sources SINCE the invasion of Iraq, what you described is exactly the definition of the President telling a lie. QandO Says:
September 15th, 2009 at 4:32 am

“The Institute for Energy Research cites a study which finds the statement made by the president to not be accurate (that doesn’t mean he told a lie – Obama was only repeating what was supposed to be true at the time)”

Sorry but you’re wrong. According to all Democrat politicians and mainstream news sources SINCE the invasion of Iraq, what you described is exactly the definition of the President telling a lie.

]]> By: Pat http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-916 Pat Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:03:58 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-916 I live on Maui, also a very trade-windy spot. Proponents of wind power plan to "carpet" the Hawaiian isles with these ===> Things. Turns out the State subsidy for wind includes free rent on government land, deferred taxes, subsidy augmenting Federal resulting with 65% of installation cost coming from taxpayers. Last the State pays 31 cents a kilowatt hour guaranteed for twenty years, indexed for inflation. Each turbine rated at 1.5 megawatts max actually averages about one Mw NINE HOURS A DAY. An efficiency on a 24/7 basis of about 25% Not only that. I renovated my home before wind was installed. Electrical output fluctuated 5 volts then and over 14 volts when I renovated an apartment after these things were installed. Maui Electric MECO is also forced to keep generating capacity on standby case wind drops suddenly and they have to make up slack Nightmare. It isn't just a case of Obama lying. It is a fact Obumbler is forcing the US to install an energy system that will be less reliable and more expensive making this country less competitive economically, and costing tons of jobs. We were told the President was a lot smarter than most, turns out that opinion was based on his "brilliant book" Dreams of my Father, - also a lie, it was ghostwritten. Everything about this man is a lie, how can we expect things that come out of his mouth are any different? I live on Maui, also a very trade-windy spot. Proponents of wind power plan to “carpet” the Hawaiian isles with these ===> Things.
Turns out the State subsidy for wind includes free rent on government land, deferred taxes, subsidy augmenting Federal resulting with 65% of installation cost coming from taxpayers. Last the State pays 31 cents a kilowatt hour guaranteed for twenty years, indexed for inflation.
Each turbine rated at 1.5 megawatts max actually averages about one Mw NINE HOURS A DAY. An efficiency on a 24/7 basis of about 25%
Not only that. I renovated my home before wind was installed. Electrical output fluctuated 5 volts then and over 14 volts when I renovated an apartment after these things were installed. Maui Electric MECO is also forced to keep generating capacity on standby case wind drops suddenly and they have to make up slack
Nightmare.
It isn’t just a case of Obama lying. It is a fact Obumbler is forcing the US to install an energy system that will be less reliable and more expensive making this country less competitive economically, and costing tons of jobs.
We were told the President was a lot smarter than most, turns out that opinion was based on his “brilliant book” Dreams of my Father, – also a lie, it was ghostwritten.
Everything about this man is a lie, how can we expect things that come out of his mouth are any different?

]]> By: Big Government » Blog Archive » Grande Gobierno: Obama Uses Feds to Protect His ‘Green Jobs’ Fantasy http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-914 Big Government » Blog Archive » Grande Gobierno: Obama Uses Feds to Protect His ‘Green Jobs’ Fantasy Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:23:01 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-914 [...] at what’s happening in…” litany of our environmental superiors (though that experiment, too, has been defrocked). Then things got [...] [...] at what’s happening in…” litany of our environmental superiors (though that experiment, too, has been defrocked). Then things got [...]

]]> By: Nicholas Folkes http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-2/#comment-893 Nicholas Folkes Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:46:56 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-893 Obama is a liar on energy, obamacare, illegals and socialism. "All told, each new wind job created by the government costs Danish taxpayers between 600,000-900,000 krone a year, roughly equivalent to $90,000-$140,000 USD".........this is something the Pinkos are more than happy to pay and their constant spending will bankrupt the US economy. I'm sure wind farms will be able to supply a small fraction of US energy needs at a very high cost but for Greenies to believe that renewables can replace fossil fuels is stupid. Citizens in Australia are wakeing up to the scare mongering carried out by the Federal Govt. on ETS. At the end of the day most civilised people realise that carbon trading is another tax. Obama is a liar on energy, obamacare, illegals and socialism. “All told, each new wind job created by the government costs Danish taxpayers between 600,000-900,000 krone a year, roughly equivalent to $90,000-$140,000 USD”………this is something the Pinkos are more than happy to pay and their constant spending will bankrupt the US economy. I’m sure wind farms will be able to supply a small fraction of US energy needs at a very high cost but for Greenies to believe that renewables can replace fossil fuels is stupid. Citizens in Australia are wakeing up to the scare mongering carried out by the Federal Govt. on ETS. At the end of the day most civilised people realise that carbon trading is another tax.

]]> By: Asbjørn Bjerre http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-876 Asbjørn Bjerre Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:54:15 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-876 The story is not telling the truth about Denmark and the so called "experts" are not experts at all! IER says: "New Study Tells the Real Story. Danish experts visit Washington this week to explain to American audiences what’s really happening in Denmark" The interesting question is: Who has paid for this wong study? And for the authors visit to US? Is that IER? The "study" was published in the US before in Denmark! It all seems to be created to harm Obama.... What he has said is in fact the truth about the role of windenergy in Denmark. The story is not telling the truth about Denmark and the so called “experts” are not experts at all!

IER says: “New Study Tells the Real Story. Danish experts visit Washington this week to explain to American audiences what’s really happening in Denmark”

The interesting question is: Who has paid for this wong study? And for the authors visit to US? Is that IER?

The “study” was published in the US before in Denmark! It all seems to be created to harm Obama….
What he has said is in fact the truth about the role of windenergy in Denmark.

]]> By: EUREKAPEDIA › Danish Wind Power Myth http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of-their-power-via-wind-new-study-tells-the-real-story/comment-page-1/#comment-864 EUREKAPEDIA › Danish Wind Power Myth Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:45:34 +0000 http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/?p=4191#comment-864 [...] the original article here: http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of... This was written by PRODOS. Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009, at 4:44 pm. Filed under [...] [...] the original article here: http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/09/14/something-rotten-obama-says-danes-receive-20-of... This was written by PRODOS. Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009, at 4:44 pm. Filed under [...]

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