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		<title>By: A View from the Altar :: Wind power in spat with Institute for Energy Research</title>
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		<dc:creator>A View from the Altar :: Wind power in spat with Institute for Energy Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bro. Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bro. Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every windmill you plug into the grid incrementally drives up cost.  These things can fill niches here and there in the overall energy source mix, but using taxation and subsidies to warp the energy markets and force windmills to be anything more than bit players is a huge mistake.   http://www.otherbrothersteve.com/?p=1900</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every windmill you plug into the grid incrementally drives up cost.  These things can fill niches here and there in the overall energy source mix, but using taxation and subsidies to warp the energy markets and force windmills to be anything more than bit players is a huge mistake.   <a href="http://www.otherbrothersteve.com/?p=1900" rel="nofollow">http://www.otherbrothersteve.com/?p=1900</a></p>
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		<title>By: r. osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator>r. osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1. None of these a-- holes in Washington Dc. can be trusted,None of the People behind Coal, Oil,or any other type of energy,news paper&#039;s ,Tv network news or talk radio,Etc can be trusted .this form of Government can no longer be trusted for damn sure.the way i look at it we are doomed to fail in the next 10 yrs.our educational system is a joke ,the people are a joke ,people only worry about who is porking who in Hollywood or whats the newest phone or hot new act in music.,better than half the country can&#039;t tell you who the VP is or their senator is.so sad.it will become total war between the haves and have nots.Money will be worthless ,the country will be under seige form China,hell they all but own us now ,Thanks to Wal-mart and people buying the cheapist crap they can find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1. None of these a&#8211; holes in Washington Dc. can be trusted,None of the People behind Coal, Oil,or any other type of energy,news paper&#8217;s ,Tv network news or talk radio,Etc can be trusted .this form of Government can no longer be trusted for damn sure.the way i look at it we are doomed to fail in the next 10 yrs.our educational system is a joke ,the people are a joke ,people only worry about who is porking who in Hollywood or whats the newest phone or hot new act in music.,better than half the country can&#8217;t tell you who the VP is or their senator is.so sad.it will become total war between the haves and have nots.Money will be worthless ,the country will be under seige form China,hell they all but own us now ,Thanks to Wal-mart and people buying the cheapist crap they can find.</p>
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		<title>By: Wind Lobby Huffs and Puffs, But Can’t Blow the Facts Away &#171; The EIW Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wind Lobby Huffs and Puffs, But Can’t Blow the Facts Away &#171; The EIW Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] full release here. See how Wind Turbines in Europe Do Nothing for Emissions-Reduction Goals here. See this comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Response Letter from John Kerry to Joseph D&#8217;Aleo&#8217;s Letter on the Kerry-Boxer Bill &#171; The EIW Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Response Letter from John Kerry to Joseph D&#8217;Aleo&#8217;s Letter on the Kerry-Boxer Bill &#171; The EIW Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] remind him of the failures of the green job movement in Europe &#8211; Spain, Denmark and the UK, Germany and in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wind Lobby Huffs and Puffs, But Can’t Blow the Facts Away &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wind Lobby Huffs and Puffs, But Can’t Blow the Facts Away &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that all the installed wind and solar in Spain, Denmark, and Germany have done very little, if anything, to offset CO2 emissions in the production of electricity in those countries and throughout Europe. The Spanish study, for example, revealed that carbon emissions were increasing throughout Spain, despite the active presence of 16,000 massive wind turbines. The Danish study showed that most of the wind generated in Denmark was displacing Scandinavian hydro, with no CO2 offsets. Moreover, that same hydro was being imported to Denmark in order to balance the wind volatility that remained in Denmark; indeed, it is the imported hydro, not the 6000+ wind machines corrugating the Danish countryside, that is responsible for the six percent reduction in fossil fuel use that has occurred over the last twenty years vis a vis Danish electricity production.

The German report, unfortunately, relies on a methodologically questionable analysis to bolster its claim that the country&#039;s renewables industry was responsible for &quot;substantially&quot; reducing the nation&#039;s CO2 production. It relied on weekly averages of wind production, rather than reality-based hourly chronological load dispatch data, which would have shown wind&#039;s relentless skitter. As I looked at the percentage of fuel use from 2000-2008, I noted that combined coal use declined over this time by 7% (from 51-44%), while gas increased 4% (from 9-13%) and biomass increased from zero to 4%. As the authors noted, nuclear use also declined by 7%. However, the latter power source is the principle means of keeping CO2 emissions at bay in the system. 

The fact that wind increased from 1 to 6% of the mix during this time does not show that it was responsible for any CO2 reductions, giving the requirement to tame its volatility. What is a bit curious about these overall statistics is the lack of explanation about &quot;others&quot; in the mix, which increased from 7-10%. I&#039;m assuming this may be hydro in some combination, which, if this is the case, would easily, in tandem with natural gas, explain how wind volatility might be contained with minimum consequence for CO2 emissions, although there still would be consequence. 

Despite all the installed wind and solar, the country has only reduced is fossil fired production by 3%, while also reducing its nuclear generation by 7%. By increasing its biomass fourfold over the last ten years (biomass emits CO2), and introducing all that wind skitter to a system that only has thermal generators to keep it in balance, inefficiently intensifying the thermal behavior on its grids, a proper accounting of all variables would likely demonstrate that Germany has actually increased its internal CO2 emissions in the production of electricity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that all the installed wind and solar in Spain, Denmark, and Germany have done very little, if anything, to offset CO2 emissions in the production of electricity in those countries and throughout Europe. The Spanish study, for example, revealed that carbon emissions were increasing throughout Spain, despite the active presence of 16,000 massive wind turbines. The Danish study showed that most of the wind generated in Denmark was displacing Scandinavian hydro, with no CO2 offsets. Moreover, that same hydro was being imported to Denmark in order to balance the wind volatility that remained in Denmark; indeed, it is the imported hydro, not the 6000+ wind machines corrugating the Danish countryside, that is responsible for the six percent reduction in fossil fuel use that has occurred over the last twenty years vis a vis Danish electricity production.</p>
<p>The German report, unfortunately, relies on a methodologically questionable analysis to bolster its claim that the country&#8217;s renewables industry was responsible for &#8220;substantially&#8221; reducing the nation&#8217;s CO2 production. It relied on weekly averages of wind production, rather than reality-based hourly chronological load dispatch data, which would have shown wind&#8217;s relentless skitter. As I looked at the percentage of fuel use from 2000-2008, I noted that combined coal use declined over this time by 7% (from 51-44%), while gas increased 4% (from 9-13%) and biomass increased from zero to 4%. As the authors noted, nuclear use also declined by 7%. However, the latter power source is the principle means of keeping CO2 emissions at bay in the system. </p>
<p>The fact that wind increased from 1 to 6% of the mix during this time does not show that it was responsible for any CO2 reductions, giving the requirement to tame its volatility. What is a bit curious about these overall statistics is the lack of explanation about &#8220;others&#8221; in the mix, which increased from 7-10%. I&#8217;m assuming this may be hydro in some combination, which, if this is the case, would easily, in tandem with natural gas, explain how wind volatility might be contained with minimum consequence for CO2 emissions, although there still would be consequence. </p>
<p>Despite all the installed wind and solar, the country has only reduced is fossil fired production by 3%, while also reducing its nuclear generation by 7%. By increasing its biomass fourfold over the last ten years (biomass emits CO2), and introducing all that wind skitter to a system that only has thermal generators to keep it in balance, inefficiently intensifying the thermal behavior on its grids, a proper accounting of all variables would likely demonstrate that Germany has actually increased its internal CO2 emissions in the production of electricity.</p>
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